I was personally never involved with the J! fork. And I absolutely have no problems with any fellow J! developers. I greatly respect their efforts and success.

The reason J! was not mentioned is that, when we forked Mambo, it had nothing to do with J!. We forked Mambo 4.6.x, not J!. Therefore J! was irrelevant to the article.

About Drupal, agree with you that it’s a solid project.

As the foundation b/s goes, I’ve been there, done that

Cem

So, why do you totally skip the existence of Joomla?

Cheers,
James

You openly stated that you have no hard feelings against the other CMSs, but this hostility !!!

Keep up the good job, and don’t look back. You’re on the right track.

jane

In order for Mother Earth to form, molten lava needs to spew out of her innards; for the forests to grow, they must, at some point in time, burn to the ground.

It’s nature, folks. Progress has a price though.

It follows that when creating something bigger than ourselves – and particularly in the Open Source World where innovation cycles run at “ludicrous speed,” there needs to be a parting of ways in order for ideas to move forward.

MiaCMS is now making progress on its own;
Mambo is free to do as it pleases.

That doesn’t mean the lava, or fresh earth doesn’t still scorch your tootsies when you walk on it, but that’s the price we ALL pay for being in the sandbox.

Good luck patching things up; equally important, best-best-BEST of wishes for Mia and Mambo to set a course and GO GROW.

“Hide not your talents. They for use were made. What’s a sundial in the shade?”

- Ben Franklin

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A few months ago, Mambo experienced “deja vu” with the core development team requesting a change of the Mambo license to the modified BSD license. The Board of the Mambo Foundation agreed to this in principle. A resolution was passed to take this to the community for discussion and to call a Special General Meeting of the Foundation membership. This meeting would then vote on whether Mambo 5.0 should be released under the modified BSD license, or should be licensed under the GNU/GPL. While there was unanimous support amongst the core development team for the proposed license change, there was division over the position taken by the Foundation. Amidst claims the Foundation was holding the project back, Ozgur Cem Sen left.

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More discussions here
“http://forum.mambo-foundation.org/showthread.php?t=11617″

Unbelievable. Sad and funny at the same time.

I already posted on the Mambo Forum: My resignation from Mambo Foundation has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with any license discussions. I can’t care less about Mambo’s license.

Untruthful accusations, lots of word twisting….. I am so glad to be out of such an organization, and give the code a NEW life under the Mia name.

On a sad but political note, Lynne Pope (aka Elpie) made some rather hostile remarks about us former developers in a post about team restructuring. I posted a rebuttal but it lasted all but five minutes before it was yanked. In fact, my session *mysteriously* expired before I could even save my reply on the first attempt. But being paranoid as I am, I saved the content before hitting ‘save’ and was able to post on a second attempt.

Since my rebuttal is not likely to ever see the light of day over at the old camp, I’m posting a copy here for historic and archival purposes. Let’s not make it an issue though. Let’s just move code forward and continue to preserve and protect it in a fantastic new product – Mia CMS.

Here’s my rebuttal to Lynne Pope’s spin on team restructuring:

“What absolute rubbish. My leaving the project had nothing to do with the “renaming” of the core development team. It had everything to do with you and the rest of the board making it very clear that you all had decided that the Mambo Foundation was on it’s last leg. In fact, as you all also made it very clear that you did not intend to seek re-election and that no one else was qualified to replace you then the project would effectively die.”

“The board of directors was at that point prepared to resign en-masse by the end of the weekend. In your words, there was not one who wanted to continue in their role as board member. That being the case, if the board resigned then the project could not continue for legal reasons.”

“Next, if there was a move to commercialize Mambo, then I was not aware of it. In fact, it was you, Elpie, who actually recommended the move to a BSD license. It had nothing to do with “commercialization” of Mambo as far as I know.”

“And finally, the policies, processes, and priorities of the Mambo Foundation were having a negative impact on the code and the community. Innovation, creativity, and team spirit were all but been eliminated. I could not continue to work under those conditions. I can’t speak for either of the other three who left the project. But I can say your *spin* on why any of us may have left is totally inaccurate and without merit.”

Posted by Al Warren, former Mambo core developer and team leader.